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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 344 the 26th of April

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2015 Richard Saunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia oh boy yesterday

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evening yesterday evening Joe alabaster

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and I were about to set off and see

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comedian and skeptic Robin Ince who is

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performing his stand-up show here in

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Sydney so we are called the bus and took

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a long time to get there because the

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roads and the sidewalks or footpaths the

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pavements the roofs of houses were

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covered inhale Wow massive hail storm

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swept in over Sydney last night I've

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haven't seen the streets quite like it

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enough of the weather report what's

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happening this week on the skeptic zone

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i chat to Maureen Chuck Maureen chuck

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was in the federal court last week to

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hear the next development in the ongoing

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case of France Sheffield and homeopathy

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plus you may remember that late last

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year there was a court finding in the

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federal court against homeopathy plus

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they had on their website that the

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toughest whooping cough vaccination was

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not to be trusted words to that effect

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and you could use homeopathy instead oh

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dear well a few days ago the next

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chapter in this story was unfolding in

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court Maureen Chuck will report on that

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she was right there on the spot and find

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out what's happening with the penalties

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the possible penalties against

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homeopathy plus yes you should be very

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careful if you put things on your

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website that are outrageously outrageous

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and likely really likely to cause harm

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now if you suggest that magic sugar

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water can help protect against deadly

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diseases like whooping cough then well

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quite frankly you deserve everything you

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get we'll find out more coming up at the

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top of the show and after that a week in

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science from our good friends at the

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Royal Institution of Australia hello

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Royal Institution of Australia in the

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beautiful city of Adelaide and round off

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the show it's the return

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of the think tank now we haven't had a

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think tank for a really long time well

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over a year Joe alabasta and Jason Brown

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join me in our club down the end of the

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street for a think tank we're going to

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be discussing the upcoming skip decamp

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here in Sydney the convention in

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Brisbane a little later on in the year

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the sad story of the eye a wellness

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blogger Bell Gibson and more about that

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my recent appearance on television and

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the Russian version of the vaccination

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chronicles video and stay tuned to the

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very end of the show i'll be giving some

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news about little competition we're

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giving away a book giving away a book

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from New Scientist question everything

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this is a book maynard reviewed a few

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weeks ago on the skeptic zone

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best-selling New Scientist series over 2

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million copies sold it says 132 science

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questions and they are unexpected answer

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so we have a no just the book itself we

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have a book giveaway more details how to

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enter that competition coming up at the

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end of the show thanks to me nerd but

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now it's time for me to run downstairs

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open the fridge find a nice crispy

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granny smith apple why not be healthy

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for change yes I try granny smith apple

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well I'm munching on that I hope you

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now as mentioned at the top of the show

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there has been some more developments in

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the case of homeopathy plus homeopathy

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bus you may remember a couple of weeks

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ago on the skeptic zone we covered this

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the a triple c here in australia took

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them to court over claims they were

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making concerning homeopathic

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vaccinations and the ineffectiveness in

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their view of the whooping cough

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vaccination in court just the other day

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the 20 seconds of april was none other

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than maureen Chuck who joins me on the

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line now hello Maureen I Richard how are

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you I maximum I'm very well thank you

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very much now this is an interesting

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the of homeopathy plus just to give our

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audience a refresher what was all this

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about well it started back in 2011 with

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professor Ken Harvey who I'm sure you're

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very familiar with he put in a complaint

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to the Therapeutic Goods and

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administration the TGA about Fran

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Sheffield from homeopathy plus

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advertising homeo pref prophylaxis yuval

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tosses and making claims that you know

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had no basis in any evidence and that

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was found and the TGA asked her to put a

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retraction on her website and she

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refused so then the a Triple C took it

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up in 2013 and they asked her to remove

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the offending article from her website

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and she um she took it off and then she

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for her benefit not not really for the

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purposes of you know the complaint so

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the a triple c went back to her again

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and um asked her to remove it again and

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put another retraction on there to take

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it take the articles away and other a

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remember anyway she refused to comply

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with anything mmm and she posted on her

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website that she she couldn't couldn't

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comply because she firmly believed in

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what she was doing and we we are of that

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opinion do that she absolutely and

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the the efficacy of homeopathy well yes

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considering went right when you know

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the fact that Miss Sheffield am is in

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financial difficulties and they might

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likely to get worse because she's

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suffering from ill health oh how much

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convictions you have ok let me a

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homeopathy mother any help they of

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course we don't wish her any ill health

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justice Perry could consider some

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options in regards to penalties yes so

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barrister had to say now the homeopathy

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which was sixty-two thousand and a half

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thousand dollars for homeopathy plus

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penalty and twelve and a half thousand

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dollars for friendship called herself so

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a total of seventy-five thousand so he

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conceded that that was very much on the

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low side and the AG said that they

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had taken into consideration who

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financial problems and that's why they

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were they were touching it on the low

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side but he then argued he tried to

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penalty and wow wow and some of the

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things like you know the public public

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court case and you know the fact that

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been quite scathing and you know the the

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judgment itself and you know when he

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shame of being found guilty of dis

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offense the judge took umbrage at that

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reason for that yeah and she didn't

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actually say that you know this could

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have all been avoided but she said this

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engaging in litigation I think that's

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absolutely right it's a very open and

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public process as it would be and I mean

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notoriety she's got during this whole

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process is to her own supporters have

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bolstered her ranks the the esteem she's

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held in it because he's seen as someone

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out there fighting the system or

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possibly now even a martyr or something

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like that so that's a it's an

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interesting line of argument yes yes

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another argument that he used to say

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that terms she shouldn't have to pay

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anything is that no nobody really

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believes anything that's on her website

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anyway what hang on let me rewind that

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hanger who was putting that argument

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point of view yes and certainly nothing

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this is the same guy who represented

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vaccination skeptics network when they

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were trying to when they were appealing

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against their name change he said he

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argued then that they were so notorious

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that they didn't need to change their

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name because everybody knew they were

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and really anti-vaccination good heavens

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repertoire well I guess he's right in in

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one respect out there is a certain

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percentage of the population who does

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not believe for one moment the stuff

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talking about Fran Sheffield and

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homeopathy plus but I think to the

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general the wider community out there

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was certainly well was seen to be what

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should we say misleading yes yes and

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that's why the complaint was made

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because she was comparing you know she

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was comparing homeo prophylaxis which is

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you know for pertussis and saying it was

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as effective if not more than the

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pertussis vaccine yep and so that's a

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big claim now you I was with you and

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some other skeptics I wouldn't wasn't

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now December or something like that was

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when the original finding was was handed

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who else was there the a triple c

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barrister and to stuff from the a triple

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c and myself and on the other side there

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Fran sheffield and her daughter I think

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yes I seem to remember friend Sheffield

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and her daughter were there when when

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you and i were there someone say for

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that for the first year all right that's

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interesting well I'm not surprised they

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were there what what now what is the

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next course of action the decision has

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been reserved no there's no date one

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that one thing that the judge has given

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mr. white seven days to submit some more

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supporting evidence for some of the some

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of his submission right and I think what

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might be part of that is the judge was

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quite annoyed with Fran Sheffield

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herself only about the affidavit that

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she put in and who claims the financial

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difficulties because she just

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financial difficulties she said I have a

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statement of liabilities and a

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statements statement of assets she said

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I have nothing about income she said not

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even a bank statement you could see she

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was extremely frustrated with this I

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think continuing evasion yeah yeah maybe

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it was a homeopathic making statement

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mention a number of times and I think

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this is pretty important about the

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language used in in France Sheffield's

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affidavit and bothered i don't mean

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fouling no cuz i mean and the judge

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hinted that there was an element of

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defiance um well that doesn't surprise

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me once again we get back to the fact

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that we you and I and I think everybody

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who's aware of this case is of the

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opinion that she is a true believer and

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absolutely I would expect her to be

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defined she's defending what she thinks

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is right yes and she also said that she

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doesn't seem to comprehend the gravity

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of these findings and that it's a

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complete lack of contrition on her part

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interesting um and I I kind of felt that

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the judge thought that what the agency

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was asking for was probably not enough

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and that's I mean that's just my opinion

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just the frustration that I saw from the

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drought and the you know friends

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barrister said something like oh this

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was another supporting argument for why

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she shouldn't have to pay anything was

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that it was just a mum and dad corner

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store and the judge said back to him yes

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with an online store that has twelve

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thousand subscribers mm-hmm so she's you

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know she's firmly of the view that you

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know this is a business she was making

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money from this and

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it should be a financial penalty no she

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didn't quite say that yes indeed it

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because I'm on the mailing list of

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homeopathy plus I think quite a few

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people are to see what's happening and I

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think every just about every week

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there's a newsletter from them which

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we've links to various so-called studies

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which promote homeopathy and then

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there's normally a day or two later or

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the next day a follow-up email with a

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special author selling some magic potion

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or something like that yes yes yes so it

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is desk I mean it's a business and and

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there's a judge said you know if she's

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if she's not willing to supply the

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supporting evidence for her alleged

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financial difficulties the judge said

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she can only rule on the evidence that

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she has and if she doesn't provide

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evidence mm-hmm and she will rule on the

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basis that she doesn't have financial

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difficulties all right well great

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Maureen Chuck thank you very much for

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your court report we might say with the

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ongoing story of homeopathy plus and

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their misadventures we will now await

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the next development okay all right

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thanks Richard astronomy cast who takes

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show brings the questions of an avid

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astronomy lover directly to an

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what is known and being discovered about

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the universe around us join us each week

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as we take a fax space journey through

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the cosmos at astronomy cast com welcome

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to a week in science from our iOS

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bringing you the science you need to

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know red green blue about one in twelve

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men and one in 200 women can't see at

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least one of these colors why is that

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what is color blindness so why can't

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people see these colors well it's thanks

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to color perception cells in the I

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called cone cells there are three types

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of cone cells and although they're

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referred to as blue green and red it's a

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bit more accurate to describe them by

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their absorbance of light wavelengths

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short medium and long someone who is

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colorblind might not have one particular

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type of coin cell in their retina or one

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particular type is weak this could mean

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they can't perceive certain wavelengths

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of light or there could be something

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preventing the signals from these cone

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cells reaching the brain there are

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different reasons for this color

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blindness most common is genetic passed

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on from the mother but it can also be

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caused by a diabetes multiple sclerosis

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or aging

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the three types of colorblindness are

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called due to anomaly which is reduced

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sensitivity to green light and is the

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most common form prout anomaly which is

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a reduced sensitivity to red light and

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try at anomaly which is a reduced

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sensitivity to blue light this type is

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extremely rare because the cone cells

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don't pick up a single color but instead

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a range of wavelengths it means any type

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of colorblindness actually affects the

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perception of most colors for example

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someone with reduced red sensitivity

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might not be able to see the difference

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between blue and purple as they can't

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perceive the red component in the purple

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color and now let's look at four

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colorful fast facts in the average human

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retina there's around six million cone

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cells around sixty four percent a long

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wavelength cones thirty-two percent

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medium cones and two percent short cones

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although yellow is a single wavelength

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in the light spectrum in the eye both

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red and green cones of firing these

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signals are recombined in the brain so

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deficiency of one cone cell type may

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cause dull yellows cone cells work in

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bright light when you pass into a

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darkened room your rod cells take over

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but only build sensitivity slowly the

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way your brain processes colors can be

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tricked by the surrounding colors for

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example the famous blue dress photo

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that's it for this week in science for

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porn involve a luger luke alphania

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durante thinnest non-local training

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button to start I'm 12 your bottom add a

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new hello all skeptics in Sweden I'm

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sure you already know that the Swedish

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skeptics Association not only is a big

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fan of the skeptic zone but that we also

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organize lectures pop science quiz and

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skeptics in the pub all over the country

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go to WWD ofse to see what are seven

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local chapters are up to and if you live

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in a place where there is no local

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chapter why not start on yourself I'm

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talking to you oom you join us now for

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something's gonna say anything I might I

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might need to say that too I might have

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to say a lot of things Joe alabaster and

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welcome to the mini think tank and the

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first think tank we've had for quite a

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while and your first thinking it is my

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first think tank you look impressed I'm

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thinking and I'm thinking are you tanked

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why do you think no no it's too early in

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the morning somebody who doesn't care

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about what time it is is Jason Brown

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hello extra yes it is early morning

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and I'm getting tanked brilliant cheers

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Cheers good to see you in that but you

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have to put the glass down on the table

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then I go thank you cheers and it's good

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to see you here in our little mini think

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tank with all would have one to catch up

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on a few things that are happening it's

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been a while isn't it has been a while

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since I heard well think tank we are in

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our same club down the end of the street

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where we used to do the think tank

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virtually on the same table we used to

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do it hasn't changed much used to be my

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local we've all changed we have this

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place hasn't changed as much as perhaps

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I would have expected upstairs exchange

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upstairs is broken but yeah I talking

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completely arena range to put in more

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poker machines did you notice that and

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rule it or virtual roulette tables yeah

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it's like a James Bond film up that's

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amazing it is they're all dressed in

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their dinner jackets and all dressed as

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penguins bow ties the whole bit it's

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quite a club folks it's quite a club

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let's have a quick chat about the

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upcoming a skeptical events in Australia

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we'll talk about skeptic and soon

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because I know there's a skeptic camp

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coming in city which is very excited

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cases there is but right now let's have

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a quick mention about the upcoming

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national convention Joe alabasta that's

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very exciting it's in Brisbane this year

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and right off the bat the website is

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convention dot Brisbane skeptics org

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it's the National Convention mmm xvii or

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for those people who don't understand

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Roman numerals 2015 are you excited Joe

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I am super excited what can you tell us

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about it what can I tell you about it um

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they've got well they're headlining

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talker is Nobel laureate Brian Schmidt

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should be exciting and local to which is

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excellent they've got Joan nickel

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they've got Susan go back from guerrilla

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skeptics yeah on Wikipedia I'm really

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looking forward to meeting her lovely

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lady and miles power who is a youtuber

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from the UK who is excellent actually

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really enjoy his videos so I'm looking

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forward to meeting him too and seeing

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him talk oh we got lots of local

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speakers we've got let's see Lynn

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kellyjohn court catan joshi is going to

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be there lurid marron from friends of

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science in medicine oh the jelly bean

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lady no she's great though absolutely

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because dr. Mel Thompson who I've been

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chatting with on Twitter for quite a

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while she's a microbiologist and she got

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some fascinating presentations from what

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I can gather I'm really looking forward

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to that oh well list goes on and on

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earth the list really does what's this

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about the parenting panel yes there's a

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parenting skeptically panel that

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actually has mail on it which is a

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little bit why don't some more of our

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friends to that suit it does Alison gala

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from Northern Rivers yep and we've got

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Lauren Cochran from camera skeptic

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excellent and also dave hawks who has

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been involved with stop the avian doing

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a lot of media appearances now our rush

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from the Brisbane skeptics has sent me a

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little note here saying that there be

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more announcements coming up on the

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first of may so yes stay tuned for that

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and also this arm he wants us to give a

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special mention of the skeptical fund

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where people can donate half or full

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scholarship tickets that sounds like a

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really great idea yeah it sounds like a

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fantastic way to get to let people who

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are unable to attend otherwise due to

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financial constraints to get them there

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I think that's a really fantastic idea

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so if you're purchasing a ticket for the

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convention you're able to kick in a

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little bit extra to help somebody else

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get there too oh yes good old bridge

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bagels they call it bris Vegas the the

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wonderland of the north why do they call

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it Brisbane Vegas do you have any idea I

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have no idea whatsoever Richard I am

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never be able to figure that I call it

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00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:50,950
Brisbane kiss and I'm not entirely sure

545
00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:53,320
why but it's catchy even President Obama

546
00:25:56,150 --> 00:25:54,940
when he was here he called it bridge

547
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makers

548
00:26:01,470 --> 00:25:59,980
it's very bogan if in my saliva can't

549
00:26:03,030 --> 00:26:01,480
figure that one out but that's a very

550
00:26:04,110 --> 00:26:03,040
exciting again just Google Australians

551
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:04,120
kept international convention or

552
00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:07,210
convention Brisbane skeptics org you'll

553
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:09,220
find out all the details register soon

554
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:12,400
ah there's going to be as many skeptics

555
00:26:17,490 --> 00:26:13,770
on people there as we could possibly

556
00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:17,500
squeeze in Joe how many skeptics own

557
00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:19,270
people can you squeeze into a convention

558
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:20,740
that'll be the question of the

559
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:22,810
convention I think that'll be them well

560
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:25,930
we know how many holes you can in the

561
00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:30,490
album it they know how many holes it

562
00:26:34,290 --> 00:26:31,960
takes I'm Philly alcohol now that's

563
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:34,300
right now Jason of course the exciting

564
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:37,090
news coming up by for us here in Sydney

565
00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:39,610
is yet again skepta camp what can you

566
00:26:44,610 --> 00:26:41,470
tell us about that its back and its back

567
00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:44,620
its back on the the thirtieth of May

568
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:48,430
yeah i know they messed that up yet back

569
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on 30 thermae back at the old vinian UTS

570
00:26:56,790 --> 00:26:53,830
on broadway in sydney the same format

571
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:56,800
same lineups I guess yeah it's gonna be

572
00:27:02,370 --> 00:26:59,640
fun we can can I do all manner of things

573
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:02,380
well I love skeptic camp I've been to

574
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:03,970
skip teak a few of them actually around

575
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:06,130
the world in my time I Sydney one is a

576
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:07,510
particular favourite in fact it was

577
00:27:13,170 --> 00:27:11,710
skeptic amp in Sydney last year or the

578
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:13,180
year before probably the year before I

579
00:27:17,910 --> 00:27:15,310
first met our reporter Heidi Roberts

580
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:17,920
dance right then the nrvs skills came

581
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,080
down for for the last get against yes

582
00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:22,240
and it was a great laugh it was a that

583
00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:24,670
was the last one it was that it was I

584
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:27,460
believe two years ago really almost

585
00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:30,310
really really ok that's why I'm really

586
00:27:33,630 --> 00:27:31,900
pleased I mean it's a great day we were

587
00:27:35,550 --> 00:27:33,640
lots of people to meet and talk to lots

588
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:35,560
of interesting talks always well yeah

589
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:36,970
it's and it's a networking event as much

590
00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:38,650
as anything else I mean anybody can turn

591
00:27:42,690 --> 00:27:40,990
up anybody can do a talk the the entire

592
00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:42,700
thing about skeptic amp is it's a fab

593
00:27:46,940 --> 00:27:44,800
our camp open conference model you just

594
00:27:49,230 --> 00:27:46,950
rock up on in the morning and you

595
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:49,240
reserve yourself a slot and you just

596
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:51,240
talk it's so yeah that's now

597
00:27:55,890 --> 00:27:54,100
registration is available now and the

598
00:27:58,410 --> 00:27:55,900
simplest thing is for people simply to

599
00:28:00,090 --> 00:27:58,420
google skeptic camps in these that's

600
00:28:02,010 --> 00:28:00,100
that's very much the easiest thing yeah

601
00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:02,020
there's a wiki at skeptic amp Australia

602
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:05,260
dog but Google will get you there pre

603
00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:08,490
pre it's not really reservation it's pre

604
00:28:12,110 --> 00:28:10,500
promotion of your talk if you like yeah

605
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:12,120
and you still have to turn up on the day

606
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:15,090
and register a slot but yeah we can

607
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,410
promote your talk straight up you can

608
00:28:19,970 --> 00:28:18,240
start writing it now if you like and of

609
00:28:22,790 --> 00:28:19,980
course the most important news Jason is

610
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:22,800
that skeptic am only cost twenty six

611
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:24,600
dollars this year is that right I know

612
00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:26,130
Richard that's not right and it's never

613
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:27,630
right skeptic apps are always free rich

614
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:30,330
it s free come along folks it's free

615
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:32,760
register but it's free sounds good and

616
00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:34,050
of course one of the highlights of

617
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:36,030
skeptic a bum I don't know if it's

618
00:28:39,049 --> 00:28:37,620
generally speaking skeptic camps around

619
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:39,059
the world but certainly here in Sydney

620
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:41,850
is cupcake cupcake camp yes are there

621
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,620
were some beauties last time oh it's a

622
00:28:48,110 --> 00:28:45,840
fantastic one Ruth Ellison from the

623
00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:48,120
a.c.t bring some wonderful she's very

624
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:50,190
creative with her cupcakes and Esther's

625
00:28:54,260 --> 00:28:51,720
always very creative with it as well

626
00:28:57,230 --> 00:28:54,270
makes wonderful colleagues do so yeah we

627
00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:57,240
do cupcake can't get that ok kkkk cap

628
00:29:01,190 --> 00:29:00,120
cupcake camp oh that's a difficult word

629
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:01,200
we are thinking about the cupcakes

630
00:29:05,780 --> 00:29:03,690
that's why I'm distracted by cupcake you

631
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:05,790
are yeah yeah we do that at lunchtime

632
00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:08,130
and bring some cupcakes along enough for

633
00:29:11,540 --> 00:29:09,929
everyone to share if you can possibly

634
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:11,550
manage that and that you might win

635
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:13,320
something so there we are folks skip

636
00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:15,210
decamp here in sydney on the thirtieth

637
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:18,030
of mates of the UTS building which is oh

638
00:29:24,140 --> 00:29:20,490
it's along the broadway they are not too

639
00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:24,150
far from central train station you can

640
00:29:28,150 --> 00:29:26,670
go google skeptic camp australia skip

641
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:28,160
the camp sydney find out some details

642
00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:31,110
turn up around about nine o'clock on the

643
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:33,929
day and the talks kick off from about

644
00:29:39,020 --> 00:29:37,620
ten o'clock and yeah you'll need to take

645
00:29:41,030 --> 00:29:39,030
it to get in because we need to control

646
00:29:42,290 --> 00:29:41,040
numbers and that is because of the

647
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:42,300
hordes of people go that's right there

648
00:29:47,390 --> 00:29:43,890
are normal numbers of you're trying to

649
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:47,400
squeeze in skepta camp sydney 2015 dot

650
00:29:51,049 --> 00:29:49,260
eventbrite com but again google will get

651
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:51,059
you there yes make sure you register so

652
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,910
we we know you're coming so we're not

653
00:29:58,100 --> 00:29:55,440
overrun with cupcake fans or something

654
00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:58,110
we need to match the lunch numbers to

655
00:30:02,330 --> 00:29:59,940
the numbers of setting up otherwise no

656
00:30:03,860 --> 00:30:02,340
sandwiches for you oh well let's see if

657
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:03,870
folks make sure you register make sure

658
00:30:08,150 --> 00:30:06,210
you let us know that you want to come

659
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:08,160
along and yes by all means if you have

660
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:10,020
something to say along skeptical lines

661
00:30:13,910 --> 00:30:12,450
would love to love to hear from him

662
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:13,920
we've had some great talks in the past

663
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,140
we had the aerodynamics of a brick a

664
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:18,240
couple years ago the aerodynamics of a

665
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:19,890
break i was quite yet and then we had a

666
00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:21,450
talk on the non-existence of david bowie

667
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:22,220
so

668
00:30:28,820 --> 00:30:26,340
yes and I remember a couple years ago

669
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:28,830
may not go vert okay so uh may not dead

670
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:31,380
yes and Joe you're looking forward to

671
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:33,570
skip the camp i imagine i am but i'm

672
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:34,530
still quite shocked about the

673
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:37,320
non-existence of DOMA volume yeah very

674
00:30:41,780 --> 00:30:39,450
sad i missed that yes were very sad

675
00:30:44,330 --> 00:30:41,790
about the non-existence of David Bowie

676
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:44,340
oh I know you're partial to a few

677
00:30:50,420 --> 00:30:48,720
cupcakes Joe am I I can make some at the

678
00:30:52,670 --> 00:30:50,430
moment actually I've got to rush home

679
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,680
after this and start baking cakes for my

680
00:30:55,790 --> 00:30:54,720
daughter's birthday oh so I'll get some

681
00:30:59,780 --> 00:30:55,800
practicing and I might bring some

682
00:31:01,550 --> 00:30:59,790
cupcakes to skeptic amp do it in here do

683
00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:01,560
a little froggy you want doesn't matter

684
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:03,870
I think I want to go for a bit of a

685
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:06,330
skeptical so much Ashley oh I can't

686
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:08,220
remember who it was but a previous

687
00:31:14,180 --> 00:31:10,140
skeptic amp I remember somebody making

688
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:14,190
plans to make chiropractic themed

689
00:31:19,220 --> 00:31:16,890
cupcakes with kind of smushed up jelly

690
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:19,230
babies which was a little bit of but

691
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:24,710
very funny yeah I see also coming up in

692
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:27,720
May around the enemy here in Sydney is

693
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:31,770
the good old mind-body wallet Jason I

694
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:34,260
don't mind body wallet happens every six

695
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:37,770
months it's mu central and are you when

696
00:31:41,420 --> 00:31:40,050
you and i'll be going Joe yep and we'll

697
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,430
see if we can convince some other people

698
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:43,440
to come along with us this year Jason

699
00:31:46,670 --> 00:31:44,910
I'll have to tell you how will you know

700
00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:46,680
like well I don't know I just between us

701
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:48,840
all right this year we are we going to

702
00:31:54,269 --> 00:31:52,380
be taking a careful note of the outright

703
00:31:56,249 --> 00:31:54,279
shocks and

704
00:31:57,989 --> 00:31:56,259
scams and think because there's a lot

705
00:32:00,629 --> 00:31:57,999
there which is fun and innocent and

706
00:32:01,769 --> 00:32:00,639
harmless and good good things to buy but

707
00:32:05,060 --> 00:32:01,779
there are a lot of things though the

708
00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:05,070
news past that really just been

709
00:32:10,409 --> 00:32:08,409
outrageously high well yeah there's been

710
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:10,419
some all manner of insanity but I do

711
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:12,129
that did notice on the way in Richard to

712
00:32:14,729 --> 00:32:13,570
our favorite Club around the corner of

713
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:14,739
the street they're having some psychics

714
00:32:19,589 --> 00:32:17,049
on pea in a couple of weeks coming up I

715
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:19,599
think maybe in the next month or so

716
00:32:24,239 --> 00:32:21,369
they've got some psychics here live on

717
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:24,249
stage and always makes me laugh because

718
00:32:29,369 --> 00:32:27,369
always think okay these people they can

719
00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:29,379
talk to the dead again they can talk to

720
00:32:35,129 --> 00:32:32,919
them they're not up there collecting

721
00:32:37,049 --> 00:32:35,139
their nobel prize in physics or

722
00:32:38,909 --> 00:32:37,059
something right well they're not

723
00:32:40,979 --> 00:32:38,919
allowing the world of science where are

724
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:40,989
they they're in a local RSL club on

725
00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:43,570
stage yeah and some it sums it up nicely

726
00:32:47,849 --> 00:32:45,580
I think yeah although some of them do

727
00:32:49,529 --> 00:32:47,859
occasionally make it to Vegas so the

728
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:49,539
actual one not Britt's Vegas not Bruce

729
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:52,210
Vegas hmm and for our listeners to this

730
00:32:57,869 --> 00:32:55,690
this club is dedicated it's called RSL

731
00:33:00,539 --> 00:32:57,879
returns service veterans service Italy

732
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:00,549
League yeah it's our veterans club rides

733
00:33:03,959 --> 00:33:02,289
it's for all its dedicated to all the

734
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,969
veterans of wars all the people who

735
00:33:09,299 --> 00:33:05,679
served indeed and it is ends that

736
00:33:11,789 --> 00:33:09,309
weekend and it is too sour one of our

737
00:33:13,409 --> 00:33:11,799
biggest national days and always also

738
00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:13,419
strikes me as a bit peculiar the club

739
00:33:16,919 --> 00:33:14,830
like this would have people on stage you

740
00:33:20,009 --> 00:33:16,929
talk to the dead now said well are they

741
00:33:22,649 --> 00:33:20,019
going to talk to dead soldiers that

742
00:33:26,129 --> 00:33:22,659
would be bad taste that will be terribly

743
00:33:27,479 --> 00:33:26,139
bad taste but I kaylee comedy routine

744
00:33:30,239 --> 00:33:27,489
coming on but I should really steer away

745
00:33:31,349 --> 00:33:30,249
from me but the point is of course yes

746
00:33:32,849 --> 00:33:31,359
of course it would be of course they

747
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:32,859
wouldn't so what do they do they talk to

748
00:33:38,639 --> 00:33:35,919
other dead people you know dead people

749
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:38,649
with really not very stunning stories

750
00:33:44,339 --> 00:33:42,129
just not tell ya the money's behind the

751
00:33:47,650 --> 00:33:44,349
Wardrobe is it was through the water

752
00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:47,660
right years ago grandad it wasn't there

753
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:50,030
so I remember great cartoon was of The

754
00:33:53,650 --> 00:33:51,290
Wizard of it or something like that I

755
00:33:55,630 --> 00:33:53,660
made contact with your game great uncle

756
00:34:02,860 --> 00:33:55,640
really great i'll go how are you the

757
00:34:04,540 --> 00:34:02,870
horse comes back I'm dead yeah so your

758
00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:04,550
loved one says once more hater the most

759
00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:09,830
def idea so that's craziness yes instead

760
00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:11,720
of collecting their Nobel Prize people

761
00:34:16,060 --> 00:34:12,860
who claim they can talk to dead people

762
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:16,070
are in local clubs giving entertainment

763
00:34:22,290 --> 00:34:18,530
and so to speak from the stage now let's

764
00:34:26,350 --> 00:34:22,300
talk about Joe something else the name

765
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,360
Bell Gibson not Mel Gibson not Mel

766
00:34:29,530 --> 00:34:27,919
Gibson he's a completely different

767
00:34:31,450 --> 00:34:29,540
kettle of fish completely different oh

768
00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:31,460
well that's bit of strangeness about Mel

769
00:34:36,490 --> 00:34:33,950
Gibson two hours early no Gibson yes

770
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,500
tell us about belgium's oh she's a

771
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:39,679
wellness blogger well well well well

772
00:34:45,370 --> 00:34:42,530
indeed wellness as such a strange light

773
00:34:47,140 --> 00:34:45,380
it will define term wellness is an

774
00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:47,150
ill-defined term you heard it from Joe

775
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:49,070
alabaster I like that that's how much of

776
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:51,050
me well this is an ill-defined Tony oh

777
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:52,850
good we can actually get a photograph of

778
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:54,890
me looking serious and and putting out

779
00:35:01,690 --> 00:34:57,110
enough and tweet it everywhere we built

780
00:35:04,450 --> 00:35:01,700
I shall gain my fame finally um that was

781
00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:04,460
wellness blogger um she's also had a nap

782
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:09,740
she she felt she claims she fell ill a

783
00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:14,510
few years ago she's and then cured her

784
00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:17,780
inoperable brain cancer by eating well

785
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:21,140
etc etc um she's been blogging she has a

786
00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:23,690
lot of followers she released an app i

787
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:25,900
think it was about diet and nutrition

788
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:29,720
advice and she doesn't have as far as

789
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:32,330
I'm aware any education in the field of

790
00:35:35,980 --> 00:35:34,370
she was the Dietetics year as the

791
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,990
darling of the media wasn't using all

792
00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:37,760
sorts of she was for quite a while yeah

793
00:35:45,340 --> 00:35:40,940
she done actually run an award goodness

794
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:45,350
from a prominent women's magazine um and

795
00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:47,450
it's a good story isn't it it is rather

796
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:49,640
else do we know that's done this career

797
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:51,410
trajectory oh yeah that's right jess

798
00:35:55,269 --> 00:35:52,640
ainscough

799
00:35:58,029 --> 00:35:55,279
yeah very similar oh there is a

800
00:36:02,620 --> 00:35:58,039
difference oh there isn't it was a very

801
00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:02,630
big difference um basically recently it

802
00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:06,500
came to question as to whether she'd

803
00:36:11,019 --> 00:36:09,380
actually been ill because their stories

804
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:11,029
to the media had been a little bit

805
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:13,730
muddled and confusing and she looked so

806
00:36:18,460 --> 00:36:16,490
bloody healthy certainly you know yeah

807
00:36:20,289 --> 00:36:18,470
but that's not necessarily indicative of

808
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:20,299
too much I meses early but jess

809
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:21,529
ainscough always looked absolutely

810
00:36:30,819 --> 00:36:27,849
lovely too um but yeah unfortunately

811
00:36:35,789 --> 00:36:30,829
people were unfortunately for her the

812
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:35,799
media began questioning her story and

813
00:36:40,509 --> 00:36:37,970
realized that nobody had actually

814
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:40,519
confirmed any sort of diagnosis and her

815
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:42,529
claims about her diagnosis were changing

816
00:36:49,269 --> 00:36:46,400
yeah um in the past week she spoken to

817
00:36:52,059 --> 00:36:49,279
australian women's weekly and has

818
00:36:55,799 --> 00:36:52,069
outright come out and said no she did

819
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:55,809
not have cancer um this is a woman who's

820
00:37:01,269 --> 00:36:58,490
given a lot of advice to people who

821
00:37:07,299 --> 00:37:01,279
presumably are quite unwell and trying

822
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:07,309
to heal heal treat their cancer spring

823
00:37:11,799 --> 00:37:09,140
attrition naturally so good yeah

824
00:37:14,529 --> 00:37:11,809
wellness Electra yes you look for hours

825
00:37:16,660 --> 00:37:14,539
um so she was used she's given advice

826
00:37:18,789 --> 00:37:16,670
she's taken quite a lot of money a

827
00:37:20,740 --> 00:37:18,799
sizable amount some of it she promised

828
00:37:22,210 --> 00:37:20,750
to donate to charity which it's been

829
00:37:26,019 --> 00:37:22,220
revealed through Woman's Weekly that she

830
00:37:28,029 --> 00:37:26,029
hasn't done either um so yeah it's come

831
00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:28,039
to light that she wasn't actually sick

832
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:30,470
to begin with and Women's Weekly er that

833
00:37:35,410 --> 00:37:32,450
conjecture is that she's suffering from

834
00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:35,420
munchausen syndrome so that's not an

835
00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:36,980
official diagnosis either we can't

836
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:40,190
really say that she is but she has

837
00:37:44,859 --> 00:37:42,890
admitted to lying hmmm and and one of

838
00:37:46,299 --> 00:37:44,869
the sad things is of course many people

839
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:46,309
out there who would have been inspired

840
00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:49,480
by her and possibly gone down this

841
00:37:54,009 --> 00:37:52,220
so-called wellness path instead of

842
00:37:54,980 --> 00:37:54,019
sticking there to their conventional

843
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:54,990
medicine

844
00:37:59,480 --> 00:37:57,450
well yeah wellness is a big red flag for

845
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,490
all of us in the skeptical world but out

846
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:01,680
in mundane ordinary world where the

847
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:04,950
moguls lives they don't they think it's

848
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:06,930
a really positive word yeah it's just a

849
00:38:11,050 --> 00:38:08,460
lot like it for us it's polluted

850
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:11,060
horribly yeah for us it's a meaningless

851
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:13,610
were that's theft don't but yeah

852
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:15,630
chiropractors are all about the wellness

853
00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:17,369
thing and homeopaths are all but the

854
00:38:21,620 --> 00:38:19,590
wellness thing in the end yet it's daft

855
00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:21,630
but she's made quite a lot of money out

856
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:24,540
of this and I think to diagnose her with

857
00:38:28,570 --> 00:38:25,890
munchausen syndrome is to lay off the

858
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:28,580
hook somewhat possibly yeah she might

859
00:38:34,820 --> 00:38:31,530
some sympathy in the media and also from

860
00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:34,830
her supporters those who now have to I

861
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:37,619
mean unlike with just bail supporters

862
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:40,110
and now faced with her outright saying

863
00:38:45,620 --> 00:38:44,250
no she didn't have cancer um so I

864
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:45,630
imagine that's struggling a little bit

865
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:47,970
with what they found out it's a very sad

866
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:50,700
story people can google that look that

867
00:38:57,070 --> 00:38:54,930
up I in fact the TV show Media Watch

868
00:39:00,770 --> 00:38:57,080
only a couple of weeks ago featured her

869
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:00,780
in the angle they were using us to do

870
00:39:04,460 --> 00:39:02,730
media or very uncritical they're just

871
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:04,470
accepted on face value watching said

872
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,910
they had are on the TV shows and the

873
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:07,680
newspapers and everything we chose is

874
00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:09,540
like this is a it's a failure of media

875
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,480
fact-checking yeah yeah it happens a lot

876
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:14,160
well so hopefully you know with jess

877
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:16,050
ainscough and and bell gives maybe

878
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:17,940
they'll pick up their game maybe they

879
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:19,890
want I mean there's not a lot of money

880
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:21,780
going into media these days they're

881
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:23,220
firing sub-editors the firing

882
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:25,500
fact-checkers photographers are all gone

883
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:28,410
now it's all-out sourced I mean there's

884
00:39:31,310 --> 00:39:30,180
not a lot of money in there really so I

885
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:31,320
don't know how it's going to get any

886
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:34,140
better may I fear you're right there are

887
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:36,990
a lot of people losing their jobs at the

888
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:39,210
moment but let's now talk Joe about

889
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:41,220
another issue you have been looking at

890
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:42,810
lately over the past few weeks I think

891
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:44,970
and this relates back to a big story

892
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:47,220
that was in Australia one two three

893
00:39:53,089 --> 00:39:50,430
months ago that the council cherry 10-2

894
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:53,099
yes one of well the woman responsible

895
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:55,290
for bringing sherry Tenpenny or

896
00:39:59,890 --> 00:39:56,970
attempting to bring cherry 10 honey out

897
00:40:02,540 --> 00:39:59,900
to Australia was Stephanie messenger

898
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:02,550
Stephanie messenger is also known for

899
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:04,530
having written the book Melanie's

900
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:06,210
marvelous measles which I've spoken

901
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:10,530
about it for weeks ago yeah wait a

902
00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:12,930
minute run a boo sound effect ready here

903
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:24,800
yes Stephanie messenger um runs this is

904
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:26,460
a really difficult story to actually I

905
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:28,410
was going to compile a report on this

906
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:30,870
but what about head is doing so far down

907
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:32,850
the rabbit hole there's so much about

908
00:40:37,850 --> 00:40:35,610
Stephanie messenger and I really

909
00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:37,860
recommend people go to diluted thinking

910
00:40:45,260 --> 00:40:41,550
blog which details a great deal more

911
00:40:47,540 --> 00:40:45,270
than I can present on here but she has

912
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:47,550
several charities and organizations set

913
00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:50,970
up under various names one of them is to

914
00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:54,660
get rid of SIDS project is and the get

915
00:41:00,290 --> 00:40:56,700
rid of Sid proceeds project a couple of

916
00:41:02,270 --> 00:41:00,300
weeks ago was on the news as the

917
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:02,280
Australian charities and not-for-profits

918
00:41:09,020 --> 00:41:05,310
Commission how are having a kak down at

919
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:09,030
the moment on rogue charities and the

920
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:10,830
first one they've gone public with has

921
00:41:16,070 --> 00:41:12,780
been stephanie messengers get rid of

922
00:41:18,980 --> 00:41:16,080
SIDS project now the reason they've

923
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:18,990
actually revoked her charity status for

924
00:41:24,110 --> 00:41:22,410
the get rid of SIDS project and they

925
00:41:26,660 --> 00:41:24,120
haven't been able to due to privacy

926
00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:26,670
reasons state too much about why they've

927
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:28,230
done it apart from that she's double

928
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:32,130
defaulted on handing in her records

929
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:36,810
financial records etc but the reports in

930
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:38,130
the news that have been about this have

931
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,170
actually outlined what it is that the

932
00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:42,480
get rid of seeds project was doing and

933
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:46,830
responsible for and also her past

934
00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:49,590
history I have found out the claims that

935
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:51,750
she was making under the get rid of

936
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:53,160
suits project are completely

937
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:56,040
unsubstantiated basically she was giving

938
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:00,000
talks etc to I guess new parents were

939
00:42:05,780 --> 00:42:03,330
her main audience claiming that sudden

940
00:42:08,570 --> 00:42:05,790
infant death syndrome was being caused

941
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:08,580
by toxic gases released from cot

942
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:11,610
mattresses and wasn't she selling a

943
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:14,490
mattress to stop this I believe she was

944
00:42:21,110 --> 00:42:17,330
selling a few different product video

945
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:21,120
indeed um and when she was giving these

946
00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:24,450
his presentation she was generally doing

947
00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:27,870
it in a format that also included some

948
00:42:31,220 --> 00:42:29,550
anti-vaccination information

949
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:31,230
anti-vaccination in

950
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:35,369
mation she her current Clem or the claim

951
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:36,780
of the past couple years hasn't been

952
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:39,180
that since is caused by vaccination but

953
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:42,090
that claim has been made in the past hmm

954
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,490
but has certainly as Meryl would have

955
00:42:49,820 --> 00:42:47,040
made that claim yeah amongst others in a

956
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:49,830
rather tasteless way I believe I can't

957
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,180
remember the exact phrase that was being

958
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:53,280
used but it was unpleasant taste us and

959
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:55,609
Meryl Dory sort of go hand in hand yeah

960
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,640
the she's also got a foundation and

961
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:02,400
called the gang Kingman Foundation which

962
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:05,609
is what is it gandy martin luther king

963
00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:09,330
and on Mandela yeah and the the Mandela

964
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:11,670
trusts have questioned this and are

965
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:13,619
looking into legal proceedings about I

966
00:43:19,099 --> 00:43:17,220
believe um so yeah she's a she's pretty

967
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:19,109
dodgy she's Meryl Dory that doesn't knit

968
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:23,520
I think yeah so what's what's the upshot

969
00:43:28,310 --> 00:43:25,740
of all this joke I mean we'll have been

970
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:28,320
deregistered a oh yes she is unable to

971
00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:31,890
take any charitable contributions via

972
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:33,630
the get rid of SIDS foundation although

973
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:37,500
oh sorry project though I mean she's got

974
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:40,800
many many different organizations set up

975
00:43:45,590 --> 00:43:43,369
under hers and her partner's name so I

976
00:43:50,090 --> 00:43:45,600
don't and she's still selling her books

977
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:50,100
of course um annoyingly I haven't been

978
00:43:55,150 --> 00:43:52,770
able to find any official statement

979
00:43:57,590 --> 00:43:55,160
about the closure of the project from

980
00:43:59,840 --> 00:43:57,600
Stephanie herself she's very hard to get

981
00:44:03,410 --> 00:43:59,850
in touch with she hasn't made a

982
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:03,420
statement as far as I'm aware but after

983
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:05,430
a couple of days her website did go down

984
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:07,770
for that particular project so there's

985
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,560
no information it just never ends the

986
00:44:14,810 --> 00:44:12,359
interesting news in the skeptical world

987
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:14,820
and talking about his a Segway the

988
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:17,130
skeptical world if we look at the world

989
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,450
point of view there's some interesting

990
00:44:22,580 --> 00:44:21,119
news coming out of Russia oh and I

991
00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:22,590
there's some people I need to think

992
00:44:26,090 --> 00:44:24,180
about this news and I'll get Joe to read

993
00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:26,100
out the night yeah we practice this

994
00:44:32,359 --> 00:44:30,150
before now bigoted my little documentary

995
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:32,369
the vaccination chronicles not only is

996
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:35,160
there a Swedish DVD being produced and

997
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:36,420
been distributing Sweden which is

998
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:39,450
fantastic the other day up on my feet I

999
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:40,250
think

1000
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:42,290
speed up my name some reason I had a

1001
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:47,200
look and a group in Russia the brights

1002
00:44:54,490 --> 00:44:50,660
actually called the bright have dubbed

1003
00:44:56,650 --> 00:44:54,500
the documentary into Russian and it's

1004
00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:56,660
been getting the last look it's had over

1005
00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:58,250
a thousand hits and only a couple of

1006
00:45:01,810 --> 00:44:59,570
days I don't know what will be by the

1007
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:01,820
time they're this podcast comes up but

1008
00:45:09,339 --> 00:45:04,930
I'll play a little bit of yours truly

1009
00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:12,640
hello I'm Richard Sonia's old Richard

1010
00:45:17,019 --> 00:45:14,630
Saunders the proper role which Veronica

1011
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:17,029
Vox a Nazi button video yahoo shiraz cos

1012
00:45:21,339 --> 00:45:19,130
I'd from a very mean obnoxious story cut

1013
00:45:24,130 --> 00:45:21,349
the reg easily relieve stress to Blueboy

1014
00:45:25,930 --> 00:45:24,140
every me in tha mobile pedir disculpas

1015
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:25,940
rrnas material name belies new of

1016
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:29,089
infectious diseases yep I Roscoe's ice

1017
00:45:34,539 --> 00:45:32,210
for my a tubulin no me invitas but

1018
00:45:36,849 --> 00:45:34,549
a most a minute amiable I was born after

1019
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:36,859
radiosurgery poster scirocco restraining

1020
00:45:42,219 --> 00:45:39,170
avanza Nazi leader Kim Bellini kadigidi

1021
00:45:45,539 --> 00:45:42,229
cross move to the pillows idiot skipper

1022
00:45:49,989 --> 00:45:45,549
religion volume analysis poliomyelitis

1023
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:49,999
polio da how about that Joe alabaster

1024
00:45:54,910 --> 00:45:52,249
now Joe I've been sent a list of names

1025
00:45:56,259 --> 00:45:54,920
and I'd like to thank people who have

1026
00:45:58,029 --> 00:45:56,269
been involved in this project who did

1027
00:46:00,819 --> 00:45:58,039
the voices and whatever who at least

1028
00:46:02,259 --> 00:46:00,829
involved could you read out some of

1029
00:46:04,479 --> 00:46:02,269
those names as ready for our listeners

1030
00:46:07,630 --> 00:46:04,489
please you're very good at it I can try

1031
00:46:09,999 --> 00:46:07,640
but I sincerely apologize to our Russian

1032
00:46:13,299 --> 00:46:10,009
lessness and everybody in fact because

1033
00:46:15,130 --> 00:46:13,309
my goodness I i'll admit i could read

1034
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:15,140
this last night but i had had a couple

1035
00:46:23,229 --> 00:46:19,249
of cocktails so we go we want to thank

1036
00:46:26,759 --> 00:46:23,239
these people okay it was dubbed by a

1037
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:26,769
natalia Aleynikov Arkady Babbitt

1038
00:46:32,799 --> 00:46:30,710
Alexander polikarpov Jess Alexander the

1039
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:32,809
formatting was by pauline be salvaged

1040
00:46:38,769 --> 00:46:35,690
and assembling was from ilya ticked off

1041
00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:38,779
and translation was from Svetlana bath

1042
00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:42,200
kina ah well don't Joe fantastic I

1043
00:46:45,549 --> 00:46:44,150
wouldn't mind some feedback actually I

1044
00:46:48,009 --> 00:46:45,559
don't know if you can say that that was

1045
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:48,019
very good I can I think that night they

1046
00:46:50,499 --> 00:46:49,249
appreciate it no pressure and I

1047
00:46:52,479 --> 00:46:50,509
certainly appreciate the fact of those

1048
00:46:54,370 --> 00:46:52,489
people in Russia without any prompting

1049
00:46:57,219 --> 00:46:54,380
from me this is completely surprised to

1050
00:46:59,049 --> 00:46:57,229
me did that dub there the documentary

1051
00:47:00,339 --> 00:46:59,059
into Russian it's a good excellent yes

1052
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:00,349
there's a power of the Internet is it

1053
00:47:05,050 --> 00:47:02,330
yeah that's what I like

1054
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:05,060
internet the power of the internet it's

1055
00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:08,930
really very very gratifying and I'm very

1056
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:10,670
pleased about it another thing that

1057
00:47:13,630 --> 00:47:12,230
happened in the past week was I don't

1058
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:13,640
know if you saw this jason i was on the

1059
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:17,210
project on TV we yeah i think that might

1060
00:47:23,230 --> 00:47:20,510
have passed me by richs what and all

1061
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:23,240
those people who didn't see it this is a

1062
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:25,010
five-minute segment that ran on the

1063
00:47:30,730 --> 00:47:27,110
project which dr. heop is on from time

1064
00:47:35,830 --> 00:47:30,740
to time and the whole segment was about

1065
00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:35,840
exorcism oh I see and here I look around

1066
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,150
the story that the Catholic Church has

1067
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:40,640
bumped up their Exorcist yeah count so

1068
00:47:44,860 --> 00:47:43,490
I'll play now my contribution for in a

1069
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,870
five-minute segment this is my

1070
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:46,640
contribution in full ready here we go

1071
00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:49,010
people suffocated people have been

1072
00:47:53,350 --> 00:47:51,350
beaten to death Nick there's really no

1073
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:53,360
scientific underpinning for the motion

1074
00:47:58,720 --> 00:47:55,850
of exorcism it certainly boils down to

1075
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myth and superstition exorcism is based

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in superstition from our past it's

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mythology it's got no place in a modern

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way that's it now I said a lot more when

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we recorded by those are the tiny little

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clips they used most of the story was

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given over to a psychic who perform

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exorcisms and a priest who said that

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then ultimately that it could be demonic

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possession so there you go well

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obviously demonic possession is the it's

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the obvious go to isn't it it couldn't

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be any sale could be couldn't be

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psychological problems where people

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should seek proper help no yeah little

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demons and their pitchforks definite

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hope poke yeah yeah tiny ones honey

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little it often quite small to fit

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inside they would yeah yeah exit through

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the mouse totally depends on what you've

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been eating the night before Oh dearie

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me oh now just on a personal note and I

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think you're aware of this that I'm

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having an exhibition of my photography

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next month at cafe 2042 or cafe and deli

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I think it's called to a 4-2 in King

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Street Newtown so looking forward to

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that sits quite an interesting thing

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i've been doing origami few years

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loosen us know I invented origami

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Pegasus and a lot of people have my

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origami earrings which is quite fun and

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pleasing but if you're in Sydney and you

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know the cafe 2042 in King Street

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Newtown from the 11th of next month you

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can see my exhibition I hope you become

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a make your way through the crowds of

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hipsters put in them all out of the way

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a bit of a look yeah I'm a bit of a look

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well that's it was bits been great to be

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back in the think tank to have a little

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mini think tank once again we'll have to

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do this moreover we might set up a think

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tank all over again ice like a

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blasphemer pie is this a little bit well

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it's good to be back in a pub down the

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end of the street and Joe alabaster and

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00:49:51,610 --> 00:49:48,560
Jason Brown I'd like to thank you very

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00:49:53,110 --> 00:49:51,620
much and until the next mini think tank

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00:49:57,730 --> 00:49:53,120
or full-blown think tank cheers

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everybody yes I'm just hitting a glass

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hi I'm audit oh yeah I Kristen or we

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will tips advice on logic lifted off the

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skeptics ohm ohm skip the Chimaera email

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again that means no scream bloody rapper

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beautiful podcast of ran against capsis

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river- look if I'm a practice match

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since Rob I skipped sister n law or had

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recess the deep plane or ticket and

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calendar always kept disc after death or

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like you till I will escape this geezer

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she escapes his blog in a plethora d

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Emily all the discs retailers have depa

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sketches for domestic enum or dare to

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yourself Skip's is top panel hello I'm

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moderate and I'm Christine and we want

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to let you know that there are lots of

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Norwegian skeptics for you to get to

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know their blogs and permits and a

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podcast and the Norwegian skeptics also

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do paranormal tests and consumer

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activism to find out more Google

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Norwegian skeptics or visit skep

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00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,500
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone i can't wait for scamp to camp here

1150
00:51:31,579 --> 00:51:28,680
in sydney can't wait for the ax national

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convention later in the year in Brisbane

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00:51:36,099 --> 00:51:33,510
now as mentioned the top of the show we

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have a book giveaway question everything

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132 science questions and their

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unexpected answers and opening the book

1156
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at random what's this if the Sun is a

1157
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:48,089
star just like the other stars why does

1158
00:51:56,059 --> 00:51:51,890
it appear yellow rather than white and

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the answer is in the book question

1160
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everything book giveaway to enter this

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competition head to our Facebook page

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the link there for the competition and

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in the comments in 50 words or fewer

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tell us your science question that you

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00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:16,049
would like answered and who knows maybe

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1173
00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:32,609
look at those later on in the week and

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we'll award that book and we'll post it

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anywhere in the world depending on where

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the winning entry comes from don't

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forget to check out maynards website may

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not calm day you for his podcast bunga

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bunga and other things that he's

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involved with he's all actually i may

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not is one of one of the best voiceover

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00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:54,059
men i know in the beers actually may not

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00:52:58,460 --> 00:52:57,210
if you need a voiceover man anywhere in

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00:53:01,849 --> 00:52:58,470
the world if you need someone to do a

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get in touch with my nod he's the guy

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00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:06,599
for you he sir he's really good at and

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00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:08,250
actually I think Joe alabaster has a

1189
00:53:12,799 --> 00:53:10,140
good voiceover voice to come to think of

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it hmm I think I've got a very talented

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group of people helping me out on the

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skeptic zone but for this week for this

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